New LDAF Liberty Dollar + Brown Memorabilia Up for Auction

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This is the THIRD piece we're selling. The first ONE DOLLAR certificate sold for $61, and the second for $150. This is the first of only 2 TWENTY DOLLAR certificates being sold.
You are bidding on the third piece of the Liberty Dollar Arrest Fund (LDAF) Private Collection to go on eBay. The collection consists of the 82 remaining Liberty Dollar pieces owned by Shaun and Svetlana Kranish – the last known arrestees of the Liberty Dollar. Shaun and Svetlana were arrested in May of this year, in Walworth, WI, for offering a solid silver Liberty medallion at an outdoor ice cream shop. According to Bernard von NotHaus, this was only the fourth time in the nearly 10-year history of the Liberty Dollar that a user/owner was arrested. Shaun and Lana are also friends of Ed & Elaine of the family Brown, the well-known and well-respected members of the tax honesty movement who recently went to federal prison for refusing to pay income taxes. Shaun is the close friend of Ed & Elaine who the feds tragically used without his knowledge to introduce to Ed & Elaine the infiltrator who lead to their kidnapping. This auction includes memorabilia from their home, and is part of an ongoing fundraiser for their legal defense. www.MakeTheStand.com for more info.

Mr. and Mrs. Kranish still face ongoing legal proceedings as well. For more information on this, you can visit http://www.LibertyDollarArrest.com. They have been working with Bernard on resolutions. Now, Bernard finds himself a victim of the government (or should we say bankers – I suppose the terms can be used interchangeably) and is likely to face criminal charges. As you probably know, the Liberty Dollar offices and warehouses were raided and all platinum, gold, silver, copper, and any other metals/materials, records, computers, you-name-it were taken by the so-called “authorities.” Despite running this honest business for nearly 10 years, the government waited until just recently to make its big move. This move also curiously came after Bernard and the Liberty Dollar sued the government for statements released about the Liberty Dollar.

The fact of the matter is that every American has been victimized by our dishonest monetary and banking system. The use of fiat currency – “money” created almost out of thin air – literally worth less than the paper on which it’s printed, has caused our dollar to lose nearly 97% of its buying power in the last 100 years. The trend is continuing, and even accelerating at this point. Each and every day, more “money,” in the form of digital ones and zeros mostly, is injected into our economy, causing the buying-power of the dollar to drop further, and bringing it closer and closer to extinction.

Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution for the United States of America:
“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;”

Unfortunately for all of us, since we borrow our paper, fiat, scrip money from the private banking cartel – the Federal Reserve – we no longer own our wealth. The States have allowed the federal government to pass off its borrowed paper as payments for debts. We carry debt notes – IOUs – promissory notes – whatever you want to call them. We carry these instead of GOLD or SILVER certificates or coins that one can actually own. We’ve traded our national wealth of gold and silver for this paper – the bankers conned us out of our money!

These are some of the reasons the Liberty Dollar was founded, and some of the reasons why the Liberty Dollar will continue, no matter what actions the so-called government takes in opposition to the Constitution.

Included in this auction, LDAF private collection piece #4 of 82:
· One $20 denoted 2006 series Liberty Dollar silver certificate, F019018, 2(two) of 3(three)
· One “Fraudulent Event Note” from the home of Ed and Elaine of the family Brown, given to Shaun and Lana as a gift on July the Fourteenth, this year
· Certificate of Authenticity for both items, with the collection piece serial #4 of 82, silver certificate serial F019018, and 2(two) of 3(three) for the certificate as part of this collection
· Display certificate for both notes
· All enclosed in a high-quality metal display frame 8.5” x 11” with built-in stand for free-standing, also wall-mountable, soft velvet backing
· The satisfaction of helping good people and good causes while owning a piece of history

A limited number of the 82-piece LDAF Private Collection will be sold on eBay. This collection has been created to raise money for three parties: Mr. and Mrs. Kranish, Mr. and Mrs. Brown, and Mr. von NotHaus. A portion of the proceeds from this auction will go to each party for their respective legal defense against the bankers/government.

Shaun, Lana, and the others behind this collection are still working to help Ed & Elaine while they are in prison. They are working to raise money for ongoing legal defense, as well as money to help make Ed & Elaine comfortable while in prison. Elaine has also been using her very limited commissary money in prison to buy items for less fortunate inmates. At least one lawyer has been hired at this point to help Ed & Elaine. More legal work will be necessary to see that they get a fair trial and are released from prison.

Bernard von NotHaus has authorized this collection. The silver Liberty Dollar rounds/medallions will feature his arrest hallmark and the certificates of authenticity will feature his signature.

Numbers in the collection:
· 82 total pieces in the collection – 1 Liberty Dollar medallion or silver certificate per collection piece – 82 total Liberty Dollar products.
· 7 total “Fraudulent Event Notes” from Ed & Elaine’s house. The 7 notes have been paired with 7 of the 82 collection pieces – 7 collection pieces feature a FEN from Ed & Elaine’s house.
· There are 5 silver certificates. Likewise, there are 77 silver medallions or rounds.
· THIS eBay auction features one of the 5 silver certificates. Only 2 more will be sold on eBay. This is 1 of only 4 framed silver certificates that will be sold on eBay.
· Only a portion of the 82 collection pieces will be featured on eBay. The rest will be sold to and held by other private collectors

Elaine's Affidavit on Events of Their Kidnapping

Originally Posted over at MakeTheStand.com:

Ed and I were captured in the evening of Thursday October 4th 2007, after making our stand in our home since January.

The previous weekend, Dutch/Dan was introduced to us by one of our trusted friends and supporters. He and Dutch/Dan arrived unexpectedly at our home very late one night, around midnight as I recall. Dutch/Dan had been working his way into the confidence of our friend for some time, professing to be a supporter and sympathizer of us and our cause.

Dutch/Dan stayed with us for a day or so, offering to aid us in any way. He claimed to be a bounty hunter, living in New York someplace. I do not recall if he said exactly where. He asked to have some broken fillings replaced, which I did, and for which he paid me (which of course was then confiscated). When I told him I wanted to get the rest of my dental supplies from my dental office, he offered to get them for me. He went back and forth to New York a couple of times during the week, so he said, getting in touch with some associates to assist him in getting the supplies. He scouted out the office to see what kind of security was there. Again so he said.

I had asked him why he would take such a risk for someone he didn’t even know his answer was "because I love you guys"
I remember those exact words

On October 4th he arrived with 4 of his associates some of them, I don’t recall if 1 or 2 of them, remained at the house and were in telephone contact. They said there was an alarm on the office door, but they could get around it. Dutch/Dan had told us that he would love to get the supplies out of the office, that it would be a lot of fun to grab stuff from the feds.

They actually brought bags full of "supplies" (?) to the house they put everything in the garage. I never did get the opportunity to look in the bags, but I assume it was supplies in case I did open the bags when they brought them in.

Dutch/Dan also brought 3 pizzas, and we broke out the beer, we all sat on the front porch eating pizza and drinking beer, just relaxing. Suddenly they all jumped us. Dutch/Dan was sitting on my right, and he grabbed me securing my hands. Once he had me secured, one of the others tazered me on my left knee. The other four men had Ed on the floor, they had actually forced him out of his chair, through the front door, and onto the foyer floor we were immediately handcuffed. I behind my back. My memory of Ed is he was handcuffed in front and shackled feet and waist.

Shortly thereafter, Ed was driven to the Lebanon police dep. I was kept at the house for about another hour. Our dog Zoë was so frightened and confused. Fortunately she has a very sweet and passive personality, so she was not killed but was safely taken to the local humane center, as was our cat Amelia.

I was then taken to the Lebanon police dept. as we were driving there, on the road leading to our road; we passed 6 or 8 vehicles traveling together toward our house. Also after we were captured, several men in full bdu's heavily armed arrived at the house. thus there was a very large contingency of Marshalls, if that’s who they all were, gathered to come in. had we not been subdued as we were, I have no doubt they were prepared to kill us. All this for violating a law that does not exist.

Upon arriving at the Lebanon police dept. I saw Ed in a holding cell. I was taken to a cell out of sight of Ed. I saw on the wall of my cell "nhfree" so I know this was the cell Lauren Canario had been placed in. hi Lauren! One of the Marshalls kept telling me how glad he was that we were not shot. That they really didn’t want to hurt us. Of course they didn’t think, of the bad p.r. it would bring them.

He was shouting at Ed at the police station, about how he (Ed) broke the law, etc... This man alternated between concern and verbal abuse. He is the one who kept his hands on me the whole time, from the handcuffing to the police station. I don’t know if that is part of their training, or if he has a mental problem of some kind. for example, while at the house he held me by the arm even though I was handcuffed and surrounded by a number of armed men, he started shouting in my ear about my crime, how I should have paid taxes, how wrong we were, etc etc. i told him I would not respond to him, so he should stop talking to me. He said he was going to talk as much as he wanted, and I had no choice but to listen to him. I just tuned him out by praying silently.

After an hour or so, I was taken from the police station. I passed by the cell Ed was in. we kissed through the metal screen. That is the last time I saw my husband. I was not told where I was being taken. I was taken to the Wyatt detention center in central falls R.I. (a cosmic joke that is the city I was born in) unknown to me Ed was brought to the same place. I was driven here on Saturday morning, but Ed was kept there for almost a week.

While there I was kept in an observation room on suicide watch. I was not allowed to get my glasses or my meds from the house before I left. Friday night I had an asthma attack, and had to have a nebulizer treatment. I was not given any asthma meds until Monday night here, and then it was only due to my constant asking and kindness of a physician’s assistant, and after having to have another nebulizer treatment. I am ok but Ed has been and continues to be mistreated. He is still in isolation at Elkton, and our mail to each other is being held. My only word of him is from others who have been able to communicate with him.

Dutch/Dan was very good. Ed and I had our suspicions, but we let our guard down. Perhaps the situation was starting to get to us. I know I was starting to get itchy about being unable to leave, and having to rely on others. It had to end one way or another, and so it has.

We know god has a plan and we all have a part to play in it. He leaves it up to us to decide if we will play that part. Ed and I made the decision to do so. Looking back years ago when we started this. We did not realize that is what we were doing. But now we know why it always felt so right to us; we did what our hearts led us to do. What god has planned for us, all of us, from now on is up to him. To let us know in his own time.

That does not mean that I sit here and do nothing. I have met some amazing women here who have opened my eyes to a new path in our quest for freedom. We are working along that road now, in our continuing effort to expose the fraud in our government. Is this why I am here? Only the future will tell.

Be brave, stand up to oppression; injustice to one is injustice to all. Anyone who does not fight is part of the problem. That seems harsh, but these are harsh times!

Romans 12:2 says, “be ye not conformed to the world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove that which is the right and acceptable and perfect will of god."

may he bless us all, and give us the strength and wisdom to do thy will.

Elaine Alice: Brown

Nelson Mandella's "Freedom Train" Left The Station In 1947, Too!

Editor's Note: As you read this information, please think about and pray for Ed and Elaine Brown. They have proven themselves to be engineers for this great "New American Freedom Train" that is calling ALL Americans to climb aboard as we receive, share and celebrate what the true meaning of freedom and liberty is in this great country.

Please be sure to visit "Freedom Force International" and read, share and celebrate "The Creed Of Freedom" written by G. Edward Griffin, who wrote the classic book, The Creature From Jekyl Island.

At the height of the Second World War a small group of young Africans, members of the African National Congress, banded together under the leadership of Anton Lembede. Among them were William Nkomo, Walter Sisulu, Oliver R. Tambo, Ashby P. Mda and Nelson Mandela. Starting out with 60 members, all of whom were residing around the Witwatersrand, these young people set themselves the formidable task of transforming the ANC into a mass movement, deriving its strength and motivation from the unlettered millions of working people in the towns and countryside, the peasants in the rural areas and the professionals.

Their chief contention was that the political tactics of the old guard' leadership of the ANC, reared in the tradition of constitutionalism and polite petitioning of the government of the day, were proving inadequate to the tasks of national emancipation. In opposition to the old guard', Lembede and his colleagues espoused a radical African Nationalism grounded in the principle of national self-determination. In September 1944 they came together to found the African National Congress Youth League (ANCYL).

Mandela soon impressed his peers by his disciplined work and consistent effort and was elected to the Secretaryship of the Youth League in 1947. By painstaking work, campaigning at the grassroots and through its mouthpiece Inyaniso' (Truth) the ANCYL was able to canvass support for its policies amongst the ANC membership. At the 1945 annual conference of the ANC, two of the League s leaders, Anton Lembede and Ashby Mda, were elected onto the National Executive Committee (NEC). Two years later another Youth League leader, Oliver R Tambo became a member of the NEC.

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All Aboard The Freedom Train: Ed and Elaine Brown Are In The Engineers Cabin

Editor's Note: As you read this information, please think about and pray for Ed and Elaine Brown. They have proven themselves to be engineers for this great "New American Freedom Train" that is calling ALL Americans to climb aboard as we receive, share and celebrate what the true meaning of freedom and liberty is in this great country.

Please be sure to visit "Freedom Force International" and read, share and celebrate "The Creed Of Freedom" written by G. Edward Griffin, who wrote the classic book, The Creature From Jekyl Island.

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The 1947 - 1949 Freedom Train was conceived as an opportunity to reflect on the meaning of American citizenship at a time when the nation was finding a new and central role in world affairs. Americans had experienced a decade of pre-war economic Depression. They made sacrifices in foreign lands throughout World War II. They were entering an age of post-war prosperity with opportunities unknown in all of human history. And they were unsure of the reassurances at the sudden dawn of the nuclear age and Soviet expansion into countries just liberated from fascist oppression in Europe and Asia.

With President Harry Truman in the lead, some in the national government believed Americans should pause and reflect, to experience a "rededication" to the principles that founded their country.

President Truman loved trains, and his use of the "whistle stop" campaign train still epitomizes this icon of the electoral process. Attorney General Tom Clark and his staff proposed a train that would travel to communities in every state of the nation, taking with it dozens of "documents of liberty."

The result, they hoped, would enable Americans to rediscover for themselves just how hard-won their freedoms were. Clearly, they hoped to enable personal reconciliations with the still-fresh sacrifices and human costs of war, and to impart a sense of meaning and worth to those sacrifices.

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October 8, 1947: The American Freedom Train's Date With Providence

Sixty years ago today, The Freedom Train left Connecticut and stopped in Providence Rhode Island. The Divine Providence must be sending us a message for on the day Ed and Elaine were kidnapped/captured against their will the Freedom Train stopped in Hartford Connecticut en route from Waterbury (10/3) and Bridgeport (10/2). Elaine Brown was brought to Danbury - which is located very close to Hartford - where she began serving her 63 month sentence for breaking a law that the government still - to this day - refuses to show We The People.

American Freedom Train stops in 1947:

October 4, 1947 - Hartford CT
October 5, 1947 - New Haven, CT
October 7. 1947 - New London, CT
October 8, 1947 - Providence, RI

The 1976 "American Freedom Train" Bicentennial


The triumph of the steam-powered American Freedom Train was, indeed, the only nationwide celebration of the Bicentennial. It was pulled by steam locomotives in the age of the diesel, and would improve on the three display cars of its predecessor, the 1947 Freedom Train. The American Freedom Train would feature twelve display cars, ten that visitors would go aboard and pass through and two to hold large objects that would be viewed from the ground through huge "showcase" windows. The display cars were filled with over 500 precious treasures of Americana. Included in these diverse artifacts were George Washington's copy of the Constitution, the original Louisiana Purchase, Judy Garland's dress from The Wizard of OZ, Joe Frazier's boxing trunks, Martin Luther King's pulpit and robes, and even a rock from the moon.

The American Freedom Train (AFT) was a 26-car train led by one of three enormous steam engines restored just for the occasion. Over a 21 month period from April 1, 1975 to December 31, 1976 more than 7 million Americans visited the train during its tour of all 48 contiguous states. Tens of millions more stood trackside to see it go by. It was by far the greatest event on rails since the end of the steam era, and the uniquely magnificent vehicle that brought America's Bicentennial celebration to the people.

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Please Call The Marshals To Locate Ed!!

We would like everyone who can to give the U.S. Marshal's office in New Hampshire a call and ask them to locate Ed. Ask why Ed has not been handed over to to the Federal Bureau of Prisons yet. Ask them how Ed is being treated, if he has been hospitalized, if he's still alive even (we have no way of knowing), if he is being submitted to "diesel therapy" as described in the last post we made.

Take down names, employee numbers, dates/times to reference the call, whatever you can to have a record! DEMAND for answers! They've got Ed like they always wanted, why isn't he handed over to the prison? WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO HIM? HOW IS HE BEING TREATED?!?!

We don't and can't give legal advice of any kind. We believe it may be perfectly "legal" or lawful to record your conversations with the Marshal's office if you tell them that you are recording. If you do, you can send us the sound file or post it on the Internet somewhere.

WE NEED A RECORD. Please read the story below about former Congressman George Hansen to see what we mean by diesel therapy!!!.

U.S. Marshall''s office 603-225-1632


Where Are Ed and Elaine? Is Ed being TORTURED?
We think we may have located Elaine: http://bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet...

We still show that Ed is "NOT IN BOP (BUREAU OF PRISONS) CUSTODY"

Could Ed be currently subjected to "Diesel therapy" or some other form of torture? It's EASY to torture prisoners through purposeful neglect and mistreatment.

http://www.uwsa.com/Uwsadisclosure.prison.html

Excerpt:

The harassment and torture that befell Congressman Hansen came from prison officials, in the form of neglect for serious medical problems and health hazards in the prison work place. The torture also came from the Federal Marshals who cruelly transported him from one prison to another.

Political prisoners (ED: Political prisoners? In America?? You betcha!!!) and those who are considered trouble makers arc given what prisoners call, "diesel therapy". "Diesel therapy" consists of being put on diesel busses or airplanes and being transported from prison to prison for weeks and months at a time (ED: ALL at the expense of the taxpayers!).

On the surface it sounds benign. What could be the problem with making a prisoner ride in a bus for hours at a time?

Torture American Style

Before the prisoner is put on the bus, he is put in handcuffs and shackles (leg irons). The handcuffs are tightened by a black box that stiffens the chains and puts the wrists in a 90 degree bind that painfully cuts circulation and damages the nerves. It takes several weeks for the circulation and nerves to return to normal. The handcuffs are connected with chains to a waist chain, which is in turn connected by another chain to the shackles which go around the ankles The prisoner can barely move once the shackling process is complete.

He is then placed in a small seat on a bus or airplane. (ED: George Hansen is a BIG man, standing well over 6'-3" and -- before his ordeal -- tipping the scales at well over 220 pounds.) Because of the shackles, the prisoner is forced to sit in one position for up to 20 hours at a time. And the guards will rarely go to the trouble of unshackling a prisoner. Prisoners who understand "diesel therapy" know that "fasting" is the only way to handle the ordeal without messing or wetting yourself.

But even those who are smart enough to abstain from food and drink, still have to suffer the stench of urine and feces which soon fills the bus or plane.

One other painful aspect of diesel therapy is the shoes that prisoners are forced to wear. They become too small. The cramped position and tight shackles cause the feet and ankles to swell. The shackles cut into the legs and cut off circulation. The blood pools in the feet and causes the feet to swell. The toes are forced up against the tops of the too small shoes, and unbelievable pressure is put on the toenails. The toenails soon become deformed, infected and painful.

Each day the metal shackles are put back onto raw and infected legs before the prisoner boards the bus. After weeks and months of diesel therapy, the ankles and shins have raw, infected and open wounds that will not heal.

Hour after hour, the prisoner sits in a cramped & painful position, with shackles cutting into already infected, raw flesh. Arthritis and bursitis compound the misery of the prisoners. The ingrown, infected toenails, which are jammed inside of purposely small shoes, cripple the prisoner to the point that he can barely walk or move when he is finally released from the shackles.

During the weeks and months of diesel therapy, the prisoner is out of contact with the rest of the world. In the case of Congressman Hansen, his wife did not know if he was dead or alive. His lawyer could not find him and therefore could not file court papers on time. Even the members of congress who were still trying to help him, could not locate him. During his diesel therapy" he disappeared into the black hole dug and run by the United States Marshals.

After "diesel therapy", Hansen was forced to operate on his feet himself. His toenails were so deformed that they pointed straight up. He could not wear shoes without excruciating pain. The only remedy that was open to him was to pull the toenails out by the roots. Our prisoners of war in SE Asia had their fingernails and toenails pulled out by their torturers. Congressman Hansen had to become his own torturer in an effort to stop the pain.

Several weeks ago, Congressman Hansen was testifying before his former colleagues in the House of Representatives. He told the story of his trip into Iran during the Iran hostage crisis in 1979. He was the only United States official to get into Iran to try to negotiate an end to the crisis.

While he was there, he was shown the horrible human suffering that was inflicted upon the Iranian people by the Shah of Iran and his secret police.

He told his former colleagues about the horrors of the Shah's torture chambers. Ankles that had been smashed by heavy clubs. Legs that had been smashed and permanently scarred. Hands and feet that had no nails because they were repeatedly pulled out.

Then he stood up and walked around in front of his table. Leaning lightly on the table, he pulled up his pant leg and showed his former colleagues the raw, red scars on his own legs -- scars that stretched many inches, from his ankles up his shin bones. He told his former colleagues about his toenails, which have never grown back properly. He ended his "show and tell" session by informing the House that they did not have to travel to foreign countries to witness torture. All they had to do is visit any American prison and they would quickly find the effects of purposeful abuse and neglect on certain prisoners.

If his former colleagues have any sense, they will quickly reform the prison system, before any more of them end up there.

The scars on his legs and the lack of toenails were minor problems for Hansen. The major pain came from his teeth and deteriorating bones. These problems came from hazardous chemicals he was forced to work around during his job assignment in the prison power plant. The chemicals caused his bones to weaken and his teeth to become infected and turn to mush. (ED: Where oh where is OSHA and the EPA when ya' REALLY need 'em?). The pain' of abscessed teeth was unbearable. To be able to function each day, without even an aspirin to dull the pain, he picked up a plastic cap used to splice electric wires. He placed the cap in the infected area and bit down on it all day and night.

During his four years in prison, he lost most of his teeth through willful neglect on the part of the prison officials.

Hansen was forced to sell his homes in Virginia and Idaho. Everything he and his wife had accumulated during years of hard work went to lawyers or to pay the fine. Even though his retirement was not supposed to be touched, through some nefarious deal, it was tapped to pay fines, thereby denying his wife the means to live. She was approaching sixty, had a heart condition and diabetes, but she was put out of her home and didn't even have the money to rent an apartment. With the help of their children and a job, she just barely made ends meet until Hansen was released.
They are now in their 60s and they are starting over with nothing. He still has health problems associated with prison life, and still needs further dental work. He drives a leased Honda and lives with his wife in a rented apartment in Pocatello, Idaho.

ConnieTalk.com Provides A Supportive Report On The Browns

Ed and Elaine Brown arrested in New Hampshire

Saturday, October 6th, 2007Presidential hopeful Ron Paul agrees with the Browns' plight, and compares them to Ghandi!



The couple that gained fame or infamy (depending on who you ask?) were taken into custody on Thursday night, after a five-month standoff with police and over a decade of refusing to pay their taxes. Authorities say they were taken peacefully from their Plainfield, New Hampshire home, although Brown supporters are asking for "proof of life" and are calling it a kidnapping by the "Feds."

The Browns haven't paid taxes since 1996, and were convicted of federal tax charges on January 18th. They were not present in court for their April sentencing, where they were given 63 months (5 1/4 years) federal prison term. They gained media interest and thousands of supporters for their stance that there is no law that makes the average American liable for being taxed on their income. They holed up in their home and refused to surrender, keeping weapons for defense, and getting power from a wind turbine generator and solar panels. They filed 42 motions in Concord, New Hampshire's U.S. District Court, which were all denied.

Visitors to the Brown residence were prohibited; a notice was given by the U.S. Marshals Service stating that anyone who entered or remained on the property without their authorization would be criminally prosecuted.

A fan/supporter profile on MySpace.com for Ed and Elaine Brown posted this message from Elaine on September 28th:

"Ed and I have said 'enough,' and even though we are currently unable to leave our home without risking being unlawfully assaulted by the federalies, we are more free now than we have ever been, as we have boycotted any and all government claims on us. At the same time the government has unlawfully attacked us by terminating our electricity, internet access, television satellite, telephone, and mail (the federal marshalls keep all mail that is sent to us.) The federal marshalls have said they know we have broken no laws, but they will come against us when ordered to."

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